Do you know how many times I pound I worked in a liquor store at 34 cuz all these 27 year olds are like why am I not a trillionaire I'm like cuz you're 27 right? And to play this game, the amount of people do the amount of people who come through Bar store email come through. uh call in and they say like I've got what it takes I want to do it I'm going to work so hard at it I want to be like you and we're like cool. Do it. write a Blog start a podcast.

they don't they give up in a 2 days dude like two days I'm like do this for uh, 4 years straight with no feedback, no money, no nothing and then we can start talking I want to be famous I want to live a 1% life I'm like eat for a decade and they're like what I'm like, you want to live attention is the number one asset vayer Nation how are you I'm really excited. This is pretty important I have three incredible friends with me. This is actually where I'm thinking about going with my podcast. Uh, obviously a lot of you know that.

Listen, a lot of my podcast is chopped up from the stuff we're filming from Talks or me moving because I'm busy and I'm not really allocating time to create. On the flip side, there's a part of me as I head into 2024 that really misses creating because you're of the moment. you're of the SE the stuff you do I mean you're on Instagram in one second after something happens in sports and you got your take and there's a lot going on with my be friends thing for the people watching on Twitch Right now, big shout out I'm actually going to use this to build up twitch as well and start uh, being live on Twitch When I do my podcast and we're going to call Podcast with friends and what we're going to do is me and my crew Tyler Zack Dio A lot of us Sam she's always out there like a lot of us are always just watching and cheering for the people that we're going to have on the show. So we've done this in the past I've done podcast uh with two or three or four people at the same time mix from different places but I have even more clarity on why I like it uh I was giving a keynote at Vcon Vcon August 8th to the 11 2024 Go to Von.com to check it out.

it's going to be in La this year everybody needs to come through. but um I said something there off the cuff. That said, my real passion is that strangers become acquaintances, acquaintances become friends and then friends become family. MH And it's kind of what I'm thinking about with this podcast, what we're going to be doing going forward a lot more often.

maybe even once or twice a week because I'm going to do an original podcast live fresh of the topics like the Jets lost to the Raiders they're about to play the the do excuse Me the Bills Up in Buffalo like this will air before that like like in that week Fresh and more importantly, I'm hoping that for you, the audience, a lot of these people will go from being a stranger to an acquaintance. For some of you that have seen them, oh, you've seen them, but now you're more into acquaintance to friend. For some of you that are hardcore fans of these people, the way we all chop up in this unique format may lead from friends to family like you like them more and then for the three individuals MH that join me. I'm just hoping that they connect with their people and something happens and so we're here.

Episode One of uh, Podcast with Friends and we're going to introduce these friends to you. Vayer Nation We're going to start here: Ladies first, Always to the left. Please tell everybody who you are, what you do, Then we're all going to just chop it up and then all of you are going to ask me a question at the end for a Q&A session. Please, please be already selfish about that because I want it to be good for your career or your life or whatever the you care about.

Let's Rock and Roll! Okay well I like the ladies first. um my name is law since for ladies always win so ladies first and ladies always win. um I'm a singer a songwriter so I create music I have a podcast I am an influencer um I really like to think of myself as a communicator and I kind of just have different platforms and ways that I communicate yeah, my messages. but music is definitely my greatest gift and my loudest communication right now.

So that's kind of what I do. and where did you grow up? I grew up in Upstate New York so in Kingston love it. Born and raised, born and raised well I was born like 20 minutes around there but I was there like all of you know. first grade through 12 and you always wanted to sing um where I get later no I I always wanted to be a singer from like a I started playing piano when I was four okay um and like literally literally this blonde hair I saw Hanah Montana yes and like literally the episode where she was like jumping on the bed with the r White Guitar which I literally W from Six Flags and you're like I was like I want to do that and then like yeah I kind of was just like I always knew I would to high school and I got into fights with my guidance counselor every week cuz she was like you know SATs and you got to go to college and I was like I'm going to be a pop star and you know that wasn't and here we are.

but here we are right and now I'm sitting talking to Gary ve czy it works my man Kevin Clancy people call me KFC or KFC Bar stool um I started Bar Stool in New York the New York branch of of everything at Bar Stool in' 09 uh where we were just blogging at the time we were just writing all day long 10 or 15 posts a day. uh uh and then I jumped on the podcast wave I knew that was going to be uh, the next big thing for Barcelo So I've been doing my podcast there for since 2012. uh and then you know video after that which is my video series on social media called One Minute Man. So we kind of do all of it.

You're proud of that One minute man. Yeah man. love it, love it. What do you think about that? uh that brand positioning I don't I don't even know what that is I'm be honest.

well you know what a One Minute Man is in real life right? Like no someone who lasts one minute like like s oh my God that was like what is like a for that. This is like me all the time though. people say things and I'll be like no focused on task at hand, not your dirty head going there. we go.

Yeah um and so now I mean I've been there yeah what's that? Almost like 15 years, 14 years, whatever. So and now it's an iconic brand versus crazy dud. when you're a grandpa, you're going to be talking about it and they're going to know what it is versus even when we met you guys were still in the come up totally I mean I and I never ever thought it was going to be like this. I was happy I just wanted to get a job that was not a job like I just wanted to talk sports or shoot the or something and I was one of the Bronx New York guy like through and through right? So like Mike and the Mad Dog like dog yeah Mike and dog were like my thing you know Boomer and carton all those guys um I went to forom and that has I believe the best radio and Communications program in the country Syracuse some people say I think it's for lot people from my high school went to went to Forom.

yeah and if you're if you're which one's considered more bougie and which one's considered more Street what between what forom and Syracuse um I don't know the answer to that are both Bouie com schools probably I think I mean it's a you know consider good com school but I think you know from forom that I like I know so many people from for there's a lot I mean if you look at sports media it's you know mikeen I Eagles though yes yeah yeah, that's for sure that's not even close. Sports uh the Nerds are over here. the guys who play it you know no C got both. Yeah well okay uh.

but I would say for being totally but I think I mean when you're at forom you get to cover the Mets the Jets are would you fight a Forom sports cter in a fight to settle this like can I put on Syracuse broadcast Syracuse Can I get you at ause podcaster sports personality to fight to settle this very challenging thing that we've all been trying to figure out. which is who's got a better broadcast school or Syc. We have the program for that twitch. Big shout out to all of you.

Get ready it's coming. We're going to use this build up twitch this podcast. Thank you for being here. Johnny V What's good Aquab Boms what's good stunt tuck nft what's good Studio Steve what's good So no, you're not into no but you know what we we have at Barcelo we have Ruff and Rowdy I've said ER I've said this to Da I've said this to you I think maybe even on the podcast when I was on with you a couple years ago forever.

I will say this: Ruff and Rowdy was the seed of what's Happening Now 100% The Paul brother, celebr boxing R and Rowdy Now one could argue Kimbo Slice and that was the seed before Ruff and Ruff and Rowdy was a pay-per-view y I have I have I give a nor I think this is lost in history MH I mean this: Yeah. I think certain things get lost in history y sometimes when you're the first, you're a little too early. Things so fast nowaday. But but you know what? sometimes you want to talk about like people know I was an early investor on Facebook and Twitter I Don't talk enough about that.

I Started a YouTube show eight weeks after YouTube launched eight weeks after YouTube launched Yeah, like that's not on my resume that all of you walk around knowing like yo Gary B was like early actual real YouTuber Wow. I let that get lost in history I'm trying to recoup it right now YouTube now Tope anyway brother I'm glad you're on especially I Want to talk a little bit Michael Carter got cut who I love with all my heart but lot going on in our Jets All right my man. uh Dale Moss Former NFL Wide receiver um I A lot of people know, did you say Randy Moss Uh I Wish that was a compar comparison often. Uh.

Former NFL Wide receiver transitioned out of sports Uh, now sports and entertainment host? Uh, a lot of people know me from the reality World Um, but uh since you know my my main focus now is filmm um I'm currently producing uh developing three docu series working with Radical Media Academy Award Win production company um and doing a lot of things you know as a Creator um again covering NFL games. uh Sports is is near and dear to my heart but uh, storytelling um is a passion of mine and I think put together right? Yeah 100% And I I I feel like for so long in my life I was so afraid to share my own story. um that I grab so I I grew up in South Dakota uh small town Midwest uh so you needed to be humble right? You didn't do that kind of or was it something else? No it was I I think so my mom's side dis owner because of biracial marriage um very isolated Community Sports was my Pathway to break through so many barriers. Safe place.

um but you know my family structure was was very strong. my dad suffered pretty heavily from uh heroin addictions uh you know was in and out of prison till the time I was 21. um but even with all those things that occurred like our like we were raised right you know our our love and uh support from our family was unconditional. but I know that like everything I did as I was growing up I was so everyone judged me right or they were just waiting for something to happen because at that point if I up they your mom's side of the family I think just the community I was in right which was the broader version of your mom's side of the family.

Makes sense you know? So again South Dakota You know only black kid in my school for uh till the time I was in high school but I had this fear of if I made a mistake everything everyone ever thought about my family or myself would then be true it would be true God damn that's a big burden to carry and you know what? It's funny like this is like what's so interesting about life like what? I'm excited about to get into these episodes and I appreciate you going there right off the bat like we all have that. Like this concept of judgment is something I'm spending a lot of time thinking about like y know my content. like I'm trying to get people to understand what's actually going on like judgment's a killer MH like like think about and by the way, listening to his story we all know kids go extreme one way or the other on that. You either like I'm never going to make a mistake to show y'all or I'm like or you go it it doesn't matter no matter what I do you're always going to judge me so it I'm just going to make mistakes.

Yeah ex. there's only one answer to that. They're on two sides of the pillow but they're going to be extreme and uh. but I I will say you know as as time went on like uh you learned to let go of those things but I'm I'm grateful for how I how I grew up, how I was raised um and it's allowed Me: Do you think your adversities are your foundation? 100% Yeah um I Remember there one time uh again I came.

You know a lot of people know me from the reality world. Yeah, tell everybody about that cuz there going be a lot of people. You mentioned it just again. there's going to be so many people that listen to this show over next year or two like a lot of them won't know who you are from.

That also break down. go ahead. Yeah so I was on uh I was on The Bachelorette in 2020 uh during the pandemic. So right? so that small show? Yeah.

so pretty sure most watched reality show in the history of Television um also I had a very unique experience because uh, you know on my season the lead at the time decided to uh stop the show and we ended up Le leaving together early. um which uh you know I I never. it's like reality TV Hall of Fame material yeah like I even know what you're talking about. Yeah, it never not in full detail.

but I'm like yep I remember that you know cuz I'm like work every second about a season of The Bachelor ending that way I don't really this is ironic but you can see it look at the face I was say if I had a chance to stop the show and just take this home I would too. I'm stopping this podcast right now. See everyone have a great time look like that. um but you know that that goes back to like wanting to do things right right? I had this naive belief uh that you could make it work with anybody and I think sometimes when you have that approach.

uh, just because of what my mom and my sisters had to go through I wanted to be that so badly for someone else and solve the problems. Super hero. Exactly A lot. A lot of that in me too.

but but you can lose yourself in that. But I will say that's the greatest experience I ever had. um you know I grew a lot from it I went through some in the media but I never comprom compromised my character and integrity. It taught you about yourself.

For you too, you're still young. the world can love you. How old are you? Uh, 35? Yeah, you're young dude. this is a couple years ago right three now.

D So like you learn a lot about yourself. Mhm yeah and you can be the world can love you and something happens and then it changes overnight. but um I think anytime you go through something like that especially with millions of people kind of watching every move. um and and you can maintain your integrity and who you are and that Lose Yourself let's actually go around here a little bit with like back to like what I want to do with this there's probably going to be this is so fun cuz I like to like improv and innovate in real time on the show so of like you even see what's what I have on the table with be friends like I was like you know what this will work for me because I'm on this journey of building my Pokemon Marvel Sesame Street called V friends I got the panda thank you I got the bulldog and someone else I think the cow the cow.

it's common sense I made the cow common sense cuz I believe it's really underrated and I know and I know that cows are popular so like there's like I love cows. this is why I'm doing this every day on my story I post a cow it's like my dream to have like a need get set cow swag. let's do that. so now no one can judge me open to see if you pull if this was a cow.

I'm going to think that this was Max major and I'm G to freak out I'm going to literally scream and all these winners are going to break now I'm scared. Oh actually I'm going to go around the horn right now and ask, actually, let's see what you pulled, Let's see. Okay, we have. Is this a bass fish? no that you can read it, it's at the top I Think it's a brilliant barracuda.

barracuda. Okay, the Woke Walrus I to that I Just Wallus Energy Karma Kiwi I'm big on Karma Oh my gosh, she's cute. Okay, um, persistent penguin. That's me.

That's you right there. It's a rookie card too. Wasn't in series one. All right doing a little nerdy stuff like that.

Okay, real quick. Around The Horn Now that we're talking about this, I'm going to do this on every episode team. Keep me honest on this one or two words that you think most describe you who you are as you sit with me today. Jesus Yes law Gary I've never been a therapy so that's a deep bass question Yeah, honestly live Stu yeah like just like like honestly, real talk like and by the way, like you know sometimes people can answer like you know right away and you know I'm I'm saving you I'm G doing this right now to give you a little time but like they have a little time not me I'm right next.

First you know you know what word or two do you think most describe you right now? um I was actually thinking about getting this tattooed so that's deep. Yeah so this really resonates with you Yeah um I would say resilient I've like learned that that's like my superow is that like every time I'm going through something super hard I'm like kind of just like ah like I I don't give up very easily and I kind of like would so again like whatever like I'm just like good at dealing with I guess but then I realized like wow like I just don't stop and like. That's kind of why I've been able to get where going. Resilience a lot.

It's funny with be friends. One of the things I'm trying to do is change the narrative on things. So the mascot of my entire IP the Mickey Mouse the Pikachu is the very very very very lucky black cat. Yeah Hell yeah.

hell yeah. and so resilience is something I really admire and it's funny I don't like that like not that I like the devil, don't worry everybody. but like I'm trying to do some contradictions. So in V friends world the resilient is the resilient.

Red Devil and like I'm trying just trying to change some conversations. Dig a little bit deeper I Love resilience I love that my man where you at right now uh I'm I'm in the same place I'm always in I I uh I'm always trying to be what's next. you know like uh Innovative I guess so curious Yeah I mean like we I was adaptive I was blogging when that was new I started the podcast I know I I know your career well I'm a fan Adaptive Innovative curious all probably all uh I I I I Hesitate to use the word Trailblazer because I think it's dramatic but what? I have always of you to say that right now? Yeah, don't do that but I but I What I do it in the sense of like iconic, no, legendary, the best, the single greatest human that ever worked on Earth I think I do it in a literal way though like I will I have always done it first and then someone at the company or someone else has taken it Fearless to the next level and I'm kind of happy with that. like I'm yeah.

All right it Fearless I guess I Think all these things are a little bit dramatic when we're talking about. you know, social media accounts and content and whatnot. but why like we like like honestly, like if you think about I don't think anybody should be afraid. there's no Fe you know, like good brother I have good news for you.

The entire world's afraid. Yeah yeah yeah, that's that's bro. the only yeah. The only thing that's happening right now is fear.

Yeah. Like do you know what this podcast is about for me personally, building blocks to eliminate fear MH friendship is how you eliminate fear. Back to interracial marriages. What's going on in the Middle East right now like the only way things happen good is if people become friends y especially when they don't look like each other.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah, everyone's yeah. no I get that. I get that. I just I Just didn't want to be dramatic about it.

but I do think we're just talking about to your point, we're just talking about content. but guess what? Like what sports do you? You know this? you just like a lot of us are. let's use this as a theme. Athletes used to not get paid a lot of money in 1930 4050 you know, much more famous.

a pilot was in America yeah outside of Mickey Mantle like like the 1982 NBA Finals was on tape delay right? That's crazy. It wasn't aired live cuz it was that. not popular like magic and Bird where they really became like yeah so like so like like I don't know like content like like did you hear what law said she watched Hannah Montana she watched her that ass love you Miley if you're watching this, watch Miley being a Nickelodeon show and it changed her life. Like we may say like listen every time we make a piece of content this included I'm hoping one of the four of us says something for not PCX on Twitch or Juan G or or blessed Downstairs or the millions that will listen over the next 3 years of this podcast.

I'm hoping we say one thing right. And by the way, Entertainment. which is what you do, that's escapism. Yeah, what is movies and music and sports? It's letting us deal with the hardships of the world like everything is.

I could be super stressed and I have a lot going on in my life. but at Sunday at 4:25 p.m. this Sunday I don't care about anything but but beat the Buffalo Bills they've been struggling. You know what I mean What do you think? uh I would say I would say complete and curious.

Um, complete and curious? Complete? Do you feel? Do you feel complete I feel the most complete in my life that I have I know that? I'm not. Let me ask you a different. I yes I love that. What about content? Because I'm curious how you Define complete versus content cuz I see people think content bad and I think content.

greatest state of humanity. Yeah, when you're content but hungry like that's how I feel. that's why I jumped on that. Yeah I mean I'm good at all moments I've been good cuz I also got raised right before I even started which is why I think everything's happening I don't need another good thing to happen.

You're set. Yeah I'm good but I want to tear it all down. Oh I Yeah, slave for sure. So I I would say like content to me.

um is complacent a little bit? Yeah, this is why I'm fascinated by this word. this why this is why I'm playing with this right now because line is like I'm grateful I feel like I can make the best of any situation. but I feel like for so long in my life I was doing things probably for other people now I said it. I'm doing things for myself, building things but I'm also curious in trying new things like like it you know I'm in the gaming space I'm doing twitch I'm trying and these are things I never would have done.

For short: I'm not trying to change his word I actually re Liz for Schwarz said Gary out here trying to change his word I'm not actually I'm like so fascinated by his word and some sometimes in my excitement of Fascination I'll jump in and I get why you felt that and I understand that no, it's actually I'm like so impressed by that word and I'm also fascinated by content. and then he followed it up with the word that I think we're both foundationally grounded in. which is gratitude when you're actually grateful. it's a rap.

Yeah, like it's a rap. It's why gratitude gorilla like like. And by the way, what's what I'm setting up here is what I've been trying to figure out. like listening to y'all My big thing with Be friends.

when I start doing animation and books and like build this out is it's actually never one thing. Mhm, it's gratitude and curiosity. Like I think people are trying to solve things with one thing. Yeah, when I'm looking at right, these are ingredients.

This is why V friends. The way they're going to solve is more like I need three of them to save the day. Sure, Gratitude, Gorilla and Curious Crane need to go to him and be like no, you got this and I don't think anyone in Earth is talking about gratitude and curiosity together in an intense way to solve the the anxiety and unhappiness and worry that everyone's laying at home with. Yeah, and I think we're trying to solve with one trait when it's a mix of three.

Sure, Yeah, no I agree I agree and I just being curious I feel secure to a point now where I can go and if I make a mistake or something doesn't you know it flops. It's like all right it like I'm good like that I feel worth TR when you get beyond that point I feel like that is a very critical point of almost any. Like cuz there to go back to that fear thing. there are so many people afraid to do something and it doesn't blow up and you're not famous right away and you don't get the views.

but I I I hadit A Moment Like A couple years ago that was very it was. It was the very corny like there's no such thing as failure. it was just like learning along like one minute man. we started in 2017 and it worked and it was doing well and then Facebook changed their algorithm, the views plummeted, it kind of fell off and I was like all right like I failed that sucks and then the pandemic hits, Instagram's doing some with their uh, user generated content and all of a sudden it comes you know back and it was like our our guys's emailed being like we need short form video that's topical and I was like I can do this I've already done this and what I thought it was a failure I like slid it back in and then this this time it grows and I was like oh wow that was not in the moment I thought it was a failure and then 3 four 5 years later I realized oh no no it was just wasn't the right time was the right situation and now it is.

So then I was like how many other things am I right now failing at that I'm like oh I got to wait till I'm you know 40, 42, 46, 40 and then those things become Let's talk about that. this the world and I'd love to get all three of your perspective. The world is so absolute. Even think about this conversation, winning, failing, working, not working.

going back to a little bit what you touched on brother like for me and I'm curious L you know you're so early in your career like things are starting to happen for you. like like you know knowing your ambition if if Hannah Montana is that Nordstar like you're trying to be as famous as you possibly can yeah right and then and so I think about like a couple things that I'd love to get your all three of your reactions to. My big thing is like even the Frameworks of winning and losing like it's why I love process like my great dream is that the world finds success Yeah so like to me the reason that was really interesting for me KFC is that to me if I'm just doing what I want to be doing is I of of course I want it to do well MH sure but I'm just like secretly and this is maybe the Jets fandom in me. real talk secretly and I'm curious CU you now all three of you have had all three of you have had more wins in the way the world defines it than than the 8 billion people on average of 8 billion people on earth right? Yep, so I'm actually really curious where where you going to all three can to take this for me if people fall in love with the process like actually MH and I don't know I feel like I'm in some weird next level of this video game where I almost like like when it's not working more yeah the Grind Yeah a new version.

me up because like now I've gotten to a place that I don't like as much as I did 10 years ago where people actually like do think it's GNA work yeah like secretly I like where be friends is right now Yeah because I don't think people like really like I can't wait for like I'm enjoying I want to be underrated at all times and the more success you pile on it gets harder. Be underated. When I was in my dad's liquor store at 32 at 32 and my friends from high school and college came to buy wine and liquor and I would ring them up at the register and bring the case of wine to their BMW cuz they worked in Street and they would drive off and I was the working in my dad's store at how old are you 38 beautiful like 35 38 ladies we don't have but you know but like but like I just want you to hear this at 34 years old I worked in a liquor store yeah that's crazy and people walking in and like I saw what they looked at I know what judgment looks like? Yeah yeah Facts? Yeah well you also had a bit glow up to. it's easy to pick it up.

yeah but but but but you know what when you have the glow up in your head that you've already been glow right? because you're just in your Zone regardless if you get to the place you got to or not like I wish people knew how happy I was then in that moment I feel like people can feel that though. like if you you know like how you care yourself and what you exude though like that it it shines through for sure. but maybe they were just too blind to see it or they're focused on so many different things. Well they also their definition is different than your definition that you know this is the whole point.

can we like to me Law Won and I don't believe I mean it law and I don't think always win and I don't we're getting the the brand. We're getting the point here. we're getting the point I learned this I'm I'm going agree no but listen this is real talk like but winning is not an event though I Feel like that's kind of what I like that's why I put it in my brand is that I don't think winning is like at the end of a day or at the end of like a game like you won this or you lost This winning is like a lifestyle and it's just something that like you do in your day to day I feel like it's but can you live it? Yeah because it's it's not. So here here's the question.

professionally are like what what today actually paint a picture for the audience because I want to get to know where do you think you are in your career like like to the way we all Define it like I'm on the come up I got a cosign from this I I had a flop I'm a I have a song coming out tomorrow that's gonna like where are you in your career for all the audience sir sir I'mma be real with ma yes ma'am I thought I was at a certain point and I feel like I think I'm at of a point right now where people like know who I am um you know I had a pretty viral moment right? Tell everybody cuz I'm telling you this is the big thing like all of you got things but like my audience comes from so like there's a lot of different and I want them to hear it and this is for y'all so what was your viral moment? um my first I had a couple viral moments so I first went viral in 2021 um for doing loyalty test the most random thing on earth my friend's boyfriend or yeah my friend's boyfriend was cheating on her I made a Tik Tok it went viral um I became very known for doing this but obviously I was doing music so then um when I did that I had a first song that came out my first song ever that came out it started doing well um I made a different Tik Tok account that was strictly for music and then I posted my song y me it has like five million streams so everybody's like you know, whatever it's having its moment um that's real MH yeah so I think I kind of like lost where I was going with it. uh where you are oh yeah so I think people know they know who I am I think that I would go like live on Tik Tok and people would be like oh you're the girl that made that y me song and I was like oh so like there's people who know the song who don't know of me um but then I was at Shop Right yesterday and then Rich had texted me and was like Hey like are you like mad casual he was just like like hey are you like free tomorrow I think that you're going to be like on like the Gary Ve podcast and I was like I feel like you're asking me this a little bit too casual for this super so and then like once I got the G the whole night I was thinking you know I feel as though I'm like I'm like cool right people know me but I'm not like these people right I was like looking at all you guys and I'm like how how did I get here like how am I sitting at this table with these people that are like so much more qualified than me and like so much more this so I don't know where I'm at I don't this kind of me up cuz I'm like I could maybe I'm in a different I don't know how people view me at this point I'm just I'm at a I'm not I'm at a place where I want to keep going so I don't even like a word like qualified now I don't even know what the that means anymore like it use like certain industries and jobs like a lawyer, a doctor you had to like literally get a qualification, brcas need to go to forom or Syracuse to crush man I I got I got my NBA out the window you know like do like what's your title like now everybody's a everyone's a renaissance man and woman I love but also it can be like I I'm 18 years old and I made the right video and I popped off and that's how I have my fans or I'm 50 and I grinded for 25 years and then I had my moment but it's like I don't know if you can fill a room selling tickets or get your stream on your your music or you know get uh people to watch your film. Whatever it is, it's like then that's I'm qualified. You know what? I mean there's no, there's no.

Well, here's why: the Internet decentralized everything used to be systems now qualifies the world. Let me give you a little history lesson on my business career. When I started doing public speaking and was cursing and not wearing a suit, everyone told me you'll never be a big speaker right? right? and I was like I'm not capable of doing anything by the way, real and real talk. It wasn't like you.

it was definitely confidence. Yeah I was like I don't think so but it was like if I don't that's okay cuz I don't even like talking that way like I won't I won't like this. goes back to process redefining success I wasn't going to Define My Success based on my speaking fee or how many people went to my talks, I was going to Define it based on not not even selling out I didn't view it as selling out I didn't view me wearing a suit and not cursing as selling out. It wasn't that cool MH it was I'm not capable of enjoying it.

Yeah right this, huh? This is my report card right? Okay, I'm not a dummy I'm not in. Oh, it's your Lal report C it's my little you got an F in German twice. Why take a German in the first place I thought it was close to Russian I up I Went to high school. they're like what language like German's probably close to Russian I'll crush it f freshman year F Sophomore year look at Junior year I had to take Spanish one I'm a junior in Spanish one fourth graders in there I'm like what's good this was awful What? junior year I up heavy it's oh how did you pass.

They just pushed my ass through. Look at my class R they want to see you anymore. Tell them my class rank 243 out of out of. it's right there right next to it.

Please don't say 250 254. Well look what I got Tell them what I got in speech. back to how school doesn't map real life in speech class. giving speeches.

where the hell is? Think it was sophomore year maybe 10th grade I got a F in Reading I guess oh, speech d D is Meanwhile bro I got a D in speech. everybody got an A in that class all you had to do was write a speech, go in front of the class and give the speech and you got an A got got an A no no, all four years. By the way, that's all four years. Please tell them the only A's I got in high school.

Start with ninth grade KFC nth grade you got an A in fizzed uh 10th grade 10th grade you got an A in fed. There it is. These are the only A's I got 11 grade only a fed and Senor here. No, you got two.

You got two. uh, health class health I was what they called a Gym Class Hero I wasn't good enough I Music Guys If if if High School was actual Sports I'm a first ballot. What's your favorite gym class game ever? Floor Hockey I used to kill used Tove out of those uh, curve the out of the stick to the point that it was like a hook and you it was like high. Was that frustration Nobody in the history of Jim tried harder than did you play mat.

Did you do matball? Yeah. is either like a a regional thing though. lot of people don't even know map ball. just kest.

But it's like you got to run around twice and you're playing dodgeball. kind of. We played pickle ball in high school. pickle.

Ball's having this big moment now when I was in high school. my gym. my gym teachers. we had rankings on the wall.

Gym teachers were playing kidle was mushroom, they were mushroom. All right. Let's get back. Track.

Let's get back to track. Let's go back to track here. We go ready to help the audience. You guys are running in circles of people that are trying to achieve in different genres.

Let's talk about Persp. We've talked a little bit about ourselves. Let talk about Persp. Ives if I asked you cuz I want to help a lot of the kids that are listening and really the parents that are these.

everybody is now going to be famous to 15 people Like the world's changed. Every 15y old is trying to be on this podcast. You know what I mean like it's over the cat's out of the bag. Nobody's behind the scenes.

even my Dck was not like people. nobody's behind the scenes Dustin's super cool. All right here. we go for everybody who's listening for everybody who's listen Dustin's cool for everyone's listen.

What is the common when you? This is going to really be fun. We'll go in reverse order I'll give you a little time to think. thanks Gary Reality TV Sports Hollywood Now land you've been playing in a bunch of lands in your young life. Yeah, what's the what's? the cliche? very common mistake you see of the your contemporaries, the people you look up to, the people that are on the come up, the people that are in the trenches with you at these parties, at these meetings at these events.

What's the cliche? A mistake that you think that your contemporar friends acquaintances are making that's leading them to not be as happy as they can be I feel like I feel like they're doing what everyone else is doing or just trying to school right. Meaning like if because everyone's doing this or it's like this is or they're looking for the answers. um I I was actually thinking about this the other day. um because you know I've I've especially in the last few years especially since uh, reality television I I really pivoted because I didn't want to be in a box that everyone else in that world is and um I kind of went against the grain.

but I I feel like it's safe to be with a crowd and I feel like we gravitate towards that because you know we want to have people around us. but is it that we want people around us or is that we don't want to stand out to be different to deal with the ramifications of not being or more importantly, the ramifications of being seen? Yeah. I Think people are afraid to be seen judged, you know and when you're out there um again I say like the greatest thing for me that happened is I was I was judged my whole life and once I finally got it was easier for you. You were built for by the time you went into reality.

TV World Between sports and between being only black kid in South Dakota School your whole life you were used to being judged Yeah I'm like I this was an experience but I was like that's not I'm not cut from that cloth. that's not my world. um but now I'm building um everything I've ever wanted to um and I'm doing this I like without it as as much guidance as you would think but I am certain that I'm going to get there and I've got amazing people around me who I trust like through the moon. um and you know they're they're leaders in the industry.

So I do you feel like back to being complete? back to the conversation we're having. Do you feel like even if everything you try to make in film, storytelling shows does not have Commercial Success that you'll that you'll deem it a win or you're not completely sure I I Without question it's a win. Yeah, you're in the process I Love it I'm I'm going to skip for a second I apologize but like I want that for everyone. It makes me so happy for you.

you can't imagine. Yeah, this is the exact your world. you've been in the modern media world at the highest levels y So there's been all the other things that have come up that have looked apart of y'all and different genres. You've been in a lot of events like what are you seeing I think it's almost.

there's no correct answer but I would say there's no correct. There almost is man in the sense of comparison. Dude, comparison it comparison is the thief of joy. Is the line right to me I I watched it I did it myself cuz it was like I got to make my blog this good and I did that and then I added a podcast and I got to make my podcast that good and then I got to make my video series that good and every time I like if you would if you were to tell me five years ago you were gonna have your podcast was going to be the successful I would be like oh I would have I would be putting my feet up being like I'm done I I did it like I'm I'm that successful That's all I ever wanted and it's like that.

that goal in a in a good way. It's good to be driven but also it's like you're just constantly comparing to who's next and what's next and the amount of people I think especially you know at bar it's like you're you're next to uh Dave Pornoy pardon my take Alex Cooper people who are like you can't you can't reach their level. If you were to hit the lottery tomorrow, you know what I mean it's like so you or you might you might. but but I'm saying but sit there comparing yourself to them is not going to get you anywhere.

And why didn't you compare yourself to them long before they were them? This is what I'm trying to tell all my friends, they like you want to compare. why don't you compare yourself? Do you know I mean I did it already in this show Do you know how many times I pound I worked in a liquor store at 34 cuz all these 27 year olds are like why am I not a trillionaire I'm like cuz you're 27 right? or ands to play this game. the amount of people dude, the amount of people who come through bar stol email come through uh call in and they say like I've got what it takes I want to do it I'm going to work so hard at it I want to be like you and we're like cool. Do it.

write a Blog start a podcast, they don't they give up in a two days dude like two I'm like do this for uh, four years straight with no feedback, no money, no nothing and then we can start talking I want to be famous I Want to live a 1% life I'm like eat for a decade and they're like what I'm like you want to live 1% life. You have to like it. like when I I'm trying to help people now at Parsal more like produce and it's like if it doesn't make money right away, get followers right away, get views right away like when I was starting the podcast I never looked at I still don't look at the downloads I never looked at the page views I never looked at it was just cuz I liked doing real quick. We're going to interject for a second Big shout out to MJS 3169 Who says that crooked picture frame is making me lose my mind? Oh the Uber What is that? Oh Read that.

Read that. Read it KFC read what that frame says I Want to say thank Uber the microphone Here we go Uh this is from James at Uber hey AJ I Wanted to say thank you for being our first ever Uber Rider in New York how was your exp one more time Let's start up from the top James at Uber to AJ Marock hey AJ I Wanted to say thanks for being our first ever Uber Driver in New York how was your experience? Period. Let's stop crazy. Talk about making tons of mistakes in one in a career Travis CEO of Ubber in my office in New York early days of Vayner we're early investors in Uber he's like hey, we're about to open New York Do you want to go downstairs and do the first test run I'm like I'm busy I'm in this meeting I said AJ Do me a favor, go take this.

Uber So I s my brother ever Do you guys understand how often I would tell this story a my brother AJ took the first Uber in I mean York City Do you know? Fun fact that is. Do you know when you like have a meeting or something people like hey what's a fun fact you're like yeah I took the first Super in New York What the out of here that's so epic. It was a base Fair of seven bucks. Distance was $6 776.

What day? What day was that email sent? Uh April 8th 2011 Wow this goes back to the theme of everything takes a long time. Yeah, takes a long time. Mhm Like I don't understand like you know what I mean like takes a long time. Yeah.

all right. um let's all open a pack. Yeah? Why? why did you have me open? yeah? I had you do open open a mini? these were in vending machines I just wanted to see if you liked it. Remember these things when you're little? like for 50 cents? It's just it's so L he's freaking me out a little bit.

I'm not going to lie. yeah the comparison things. so real brother like bro you know I've been saying like uh I Ed my the the analogy I've been using is a swimming pool feel like people want to get a swimming like they want a swimming pool right? This they think they think for Curious yeah curious crane? Hell yeah. like trading car.

Um and then you get your swimming pool. You never swim in your swimming pool. You know what I mean Like you you think I want to buy this house and it's like get in the pool. You wanted the pool.

and now you got it. You're not swimming in the pool. Everybody wants a big house that they don't use 85% of the room totally. Uh and then what? you get? What's your favorite one of the bunch? um uh hot Hornet Bro I can't did you come up with all of these I Drew every one of them see that Jack Did you come up with the names? Everything created this whole world.

What is this alien one in adaptable alien? Impeccable instate. Russian for alien? Got it I Was going to say this is not a real animal I know that much. It's an alien I can't believe that. How many? How many like two? there's 280 V friends.

so I with all of them yeah yep I I always was I was super affected by like He-Man Transformers I'm I'm 48 so I grew up in the 80s when like all that Care Bears like all that that rebooted for all of you I was there when it actually first popped off, you know and so um yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty cool and something I've always really really really wanted to do I wanted to buy an old brand. so like for the last 15 years I thought I was going to buy Scooby-Doo or buy The Smurfs buy the IP and then refurbish it. but then when.

But then when I saw the blockchain nft thing I'm like, you know what? I'm going to do the myself why don't you do both cuz I think there's a Smash Hit there if you bring back listen if I if I over the next 30 Years build V friends the way I hope to then I become like a Disney Disney built and then they bought yeah Lucas Star War they bought Marvel So look I'm 48 in 20 years. if I do this proper and I'm 68 and this Brand's really established, building an IP holding company and going out and buying you know a Nickelodeon IP or or Scooby-Doo will be really cool. but right now I've literally so much work to do to build this up, you know? But I really believe in it. like if you look at like back to like kind of the theme of this and like the theme of my life and why I built this characters and why this podcast I think will work is like these themes of these characters or what we're talking about.

it's real life and for me if I can teach people at 5 six seven8 like accountable Ant Actually let's talk about this. Let me talk about accountable Ant Accountable Ant is like a character I'm like really hot on because I think what's up with the world right now is lack of accountability. It's everybody else's fault. It's the government's fault.

It's B's fault. It's Tr's fault. It's your mom's fault. It's your dad's fault.

It's this company's fault. It's social media's fault. It's Kanye's fault. It's this.

It's everyone's fault By so right. I'm real curious. What? What's your relationship with accountability? Be as honest, self-aware humble, but but speak your truth like where do you, where do you think you are on your journey on accountabil I Actually find music artists incredibly bad at accountability. It's everyone's fault.

But their music is the problem. and but it's always your music's the problem. The the answer that I was going to give to the first question Right like that: I see people in music do wrong yes is I think that they put too much emphasis and they expect like their success to come through like someone else. So they expect like a manager right? the manager's going to do it.

Yeah, the lab going to do it. Yeah, they Tik tok's going to put me up. Yeah they don't realize like you have's going to give me a cosign it's his fault for not with me. Literally Yeah, yeah.

so I I would say that. I I agree with that. Um I think accountability. Oddly for me like I have like I think that's like a superpower of mine like when I was a kid I used to tell on myself so if I did anything wrong you own.

Yeah, like if I broke something my brother was older than me, he'd be devising a here's a big one. here's a big one. for everyone on Twitch Big shout out to everybody. Denjet what's good Majestic Colt Accountability but not going too far.

Where you where you beat yourself up, are you hard on yourself or have you found the balance of accountability? Cuz to me, it's completely not accountable. Everyone's fault. the beauty, the middle accountability, and then the place that I get scared of when people start on themselves and beating themselves up. and that's not accountability.

that's that's not a good relationship with yourself. Yeah yeah. I I think that I don't know. Yeah I just I always took a lot of accountability when I was growing up.

Um so I look at situations like if I'm upset about something or at somebody else like my kind of framework that I work through is like what did I do in this situation? like what is my participation so you feel like you're in a good place with it? Yeah, yeah. I can really do that I feel like, uh to throw around a buzzword I got that impostor syndrome big time? Yeah? where I feel like I'm hyper self-aware to the point that I'm always. You know syndrome is the new slang for insecurity right? Okay I just want to make sure everyone out there has let's yeah, let's nail. let's nail that down once for all we've Cen up this word it's insecurity.

It's okay level to me of like when I when I'm doing this some of the very great opportunities. Some of the people I've talked to I'm like I didn't even really try to do this plan to do this I am really just a regular ass dude and the beauty of the world is like that's people like me get to do that now. but I still I still think we as a society that's still a relatively new thing. you used to have to be trained or famous or look a certain way or act a certain way.

that first book in the corner there I wrote in 2009 crush it when I wrote that and said this was going to happen I got on right. No, you got to be somebody. but I knew YouTube and Twitter were going to be the found makeal people. So I feel like I'm one of those first ones where I'm like but so I'm constantly like I I don't know man I don't have the answers I don't know the plan I'm just like regular dude.

Listen, first of all, back to like me being a fan of yours. You know what you talk about like you know your craft of sport. I Don't ever yeah I Stay I know what? I know Yeah, You know what you know like you're likeable. You're likeable because you have that relationship with yourself mhm I Actually I don't think people think I'm likable I I think I I I Don't believe that at all I Understand where you're going because you play sports like people.

Chris Russo is incredibly likable and infuriating and you've got a little bit of that in you because that's your not your stick. it's your communication style in that format. I Love what you said. I'm a communicator me too.

But I'm a different Communicator to my best friend and my I am as Gary I am as Gary Vayner Even the of Gary vaynerchuk for V friends is a different Communicator than Gary vaynerchuk the COO of vayer X like there's different versions of it I Think the the genre you're in yeah is like yes, do I think people likeing but Sports Talk is polarizing I Think it just as long as you're genuine and real about human is like yes, yes I would agree with that. Yeah, uh. I Accountability is something I don't shy away from if anything I look forward to it. Uh, do you think you overextend at times and try to take it on when it's not even yours? Uh I I think I Don't beat myself up over it because if my Integrity is is is right then if you're good with you, then you're good.

Yeah, because I know I make the right prudent Choice Um, but I do probably try to do cover up for other people's mistakes too many times. Super Super Hero if I can just shout out p p WB HLN That said, nice things about me. regular ass dude who work hard I'm shouting out Ben 1173 KFC not likable I like that guy All right. final part of the show.

Question time this is your time to go selfish Okay, like really I got a lot of love for you all obviously I know you all from afar in different ways. A little bit closer with KFC than YouTube but like you know, like we're really excited here in my world like we're I'm in this great place where I'm like obsessed with putting people on I've always been that guy. that's why I've always talked about the people behind my scenes. the first wine show I did did uh Eric castner and then Chris Mt mot was my camera guy.

it was so basic, no lighting, no audio, no nothing and I used to be like M link it up people thought I was saying ma people like it's so in the comments it's so cool. your mom too you're like no no M but like Dck obviously I don't have to tell that story. a lot of people know it like I love putting people on and so I really hope B Nation please make sure you dig into all of the obviously in our social content. We'll link all these three amazing people up, get to know them, get on their Journey But back to wrapping it up in the format I Want to do on a show Any question I can answer about any single thing could be fun.

It could be detailed, it could be about your career. It could be a funny thing like what do you got? what are you? what are you thinking about? that might be something I might be able to help with I would say so I I feel like you were somebody like in you know life and in you know the Spectre of people on the internet that I feel like you did a lot of things that like have never been done before y um meaning meaning like you didn't have like an example you didn't have like that's why I like him because I think he touched on touched on it I think he's done similar stuff I've done a lot of it for a long time. so I I understand it and I appreciate that I do like that so go ahead. Yeah so what would you say like the most valuable thing that you did in that journey is and why like that got you there that you think is valuable not like the numbers.

the number one word that I'm obsessed with that none of you with is maybe I just heard something about that so that's really like just maybe no no like the word maybe like maybe let will work out maybe my word in life is maybe and y'all's word is yes or no predominantly Noh like I saw Casey Nistad and all those early vloggers who would do the camera by themselves I was like I want to do that but I don't know how to do that so I'm like maybe I'll have a guy follow me 247 I Wasn't unaware that everyone was going to immediately think I'm the douchiest person on human Earth because unlike a TV production following a reality star which we finally accepted 10 years in, I was doing it as like a regular dude. Yeah I mean like literally my first meeting at bar stool with Erica like a man walked in and was filming. she's like what are you doing I'm like I film everything She what the are you talking about I'm like I film everything film. this is how I Vlog but now it is like standard.

yeah, yeah, it's the norm. like even David Rock D Rock Big shout out D Rock who's now going on in building his Universe was with me for a decade. that became the term that people called people that filmed people I need a Dck Wow like it became that crazy. So I'm always about maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe I should buy a house on Mars maybe I should like so you just go 100% AI right now was like oh that shit's going to us up the robots going to kill us and that make mus I'm like no no maybe do because what maybe does back to curious crane is maybe makes you work MH The reason people say no is if you you say no you don't have to do it now I got you now you heard no's easy yeah because no allows you not to do yeah all of you know I know this one's going to land for all of you.

All of you heard me in 2017 18 saying tick tock tick tock tick tock and all of you said girls that dance Nobody gives a musically musically Mus that's right I and then all you know so like you know for me it's maybe and I hope everybody gets inspired I wish I made a maybe character I might I'm do think longterm there will be new fee friends I've got so many I don't need to do it but Moose maybe Magpie yeah you know what a magpie is. It's a bird. it's fresh. We have a magpie anyway KC Question these are real animals.

Open one more pack Open a pack we have Nobody's open a good one. Let's get a rare one. You can do two things at once. Yeah oh I got a shiny one.

What do we got here? I got insightful Irish Terrier you like Irish ters o a hit a rare it's h out of 500 um I guess I'm at a spot with bar stool. You know it's a very interesting spot of like it's been a very tumultuous ride the last year. We're kind of in like a transitional thing like sold back back this that and it's like we were gambling but I didn't gamble. Now gambling's out of the picture.

y uh sometimes I feel like I'm like am I not I've been there for 15 years. almost 15 years right? But I'm like and and part of me the way this is set up right now is kind of like we could just forever and you're worried about complacency kind of like you know should I like be like I'm going to go do my version of Port noise thing like thank you take the equity great time it I'm out. why wouldn't you I don't know. it's like loyalty.

is it fear big all that loyalty fear it's easy. Like the first 15 years were hard and it's it's a very strange spot all this to get here. I'm going do it again and it's like and I'm not very like money driven like I got this money recently that I was very blessed to have and like my life has not changed much one way or the other. so I'm like it's not really about money.

Can I tell you something really good here? I like this one the answer is and this is a weird one. It doesn't matter until the day these feelings hit a Tipping Point in either direction. Right? and then you know, right? it just happens. Yeah, too many people get caught up in the ideology of the process versus the actuality of the process.

Do you know why it was bad at school? cuz it wasn't real to life right? And at 10 years old I'm like this isn't real now I have no idea how the that happened. No really I mean I really don't know but I'm telling you real, talk to the you3 and everyone listening I just knew and I was like if that's true and I fully believe it, not on some I was getting good grades at that point I was just like this isn't real yeah and so like you in your own mind, it's actually not real until it's so in your stomach that you have to do one or the other MH Yeah, so I'll just hit that Breaking Point rather think about everything, wait for the Tipping Point Yeah, so it's just a waiting game and and then watch this. So now instead of stressing it of what you should do or what am I feeling or all these profound games we play with each other, how about you just enjoy the living out of it? And if you just wake up at 6 o'clock in the morning one day and be like I'm done, then you're done. Am we need to take weight off our shoulders? Bro, Tell me how to do it.

How do you do it. The way to do the way to do it is to start to take the noise from the world. The world is making everything complicated. There's a lot of great that's happened.

Us: Jokers can have platforms we could be live on Twitch and hang out with like all these cool people Ben 1173 You know, like you, we can do all this Yeah I like Ben because he red you. You know, like but like but I think we just need to simplify right I Got good news for you because it's how it's going to happen regardless, regardless of how many sleepless nights or debates or talking with mentors you have. MH One day you're going to wake up and it's there. or one day you won't.

The reason you're not gone yet is it hasn't yet. Yeah, so why not. Instead of that and like stressing it, why not just enjoy it, swim in the pool and swim in the pool. and then if you want to sell the house with the pool, sell the house with the pool.

Got it Cool my man. I think uh for me the biggest thing right now uh is kind of patience. I'm working on some big projects that are long builds uh with the strike with you know the economy but three big docu series um and I see them so clearly that like this is my calling these are going to happen I I I Know that good for you but that process of just patience, especially when there's so many other things I can't control and I like to execute quick. Yeah, it's like you know I just curious like how you practice patience.

Why? Why The question becomes why in a world where you're so good at managing judgment I just worry that this is the blind in the same way that I didn't see that cander was me up because I always wanted to keep it positive I wasn't able to tell people that was up and that actually led to the up I didn't see it Mhm for you. you might not see the place where judgment does matter Mhm right? Because for me, like why would you be impatient I like play here. play checkers with me on this. Okay, it might even be chess because it's fun.

Okay, you got these longer projects right. like I get instag gratification I get speed of the world. but like if you're so pumped that this is the thing you're doing and it sounds like you are. Yeah, like what's the prob? Well, I guess it's probably more just anxious because I want this to happen and I believe in it.

but and you're not in control of it happening, Somebody has to buy it. It's it's Netflix may not buy it. hoola may not buy it right? Yeah, and we're with Q1 Q2 We're like pitching these, but you're but you're smart enough to know and educated enough to know that it may not exactly I The question becomes for you specifically is do you want it because it becomes something you can point